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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:59 pm 
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A Progressive Democrat conference in Mullingar has voted to bring the party to an end.

After a discussion lasting over four hours, delegates then voted by holding voter registration cards aloft. The final tally was 201 votes to 161 against a motion to continue with the party.

The organisation will now be wound down.

Speculation will turn to the future of its senior figures such as Mary Harney and Fiona O'Malley.

Yesterday, Ms Harney said she would have to reflect on her position in the PDs if members voted to stay in existence.

Ms Harney said that those who want to keep the party going are more likely to attend today's meeting.

But she said that while she was not trying to bully the membership, she would have to reflect on her position in the party if members voted to keep it in existence.

Earlier, the party's founder said the PDs could not expect to continue as a political party.

In a letter to a meeting in Mullingar on the party's future, Des O'Malley said that realism and common sense demand that party members had to face the facts.

He added that the only realistic step is to commence the wind up of the party.

The letter was read by former PD Senator John Dardis at the request of Mr O'Malley.

At the meeting, some members have put forward a motion to keep the party going, although party leader Ciaran Cannon, Minister for Health Mary Harney and the other Oireachtas members believe it is time to bring the PDs to an end.

Going into the day-long conference Mr Cannon said members should vote with their heads and not their hearts in bringing the party to a dignified end.

Ms Harney received a standing ovation after she delivered a strong speech to the conference.

Speaking ahead of the meeting, she said that people needed to be pragmatic in deciding the future of the organisation.

She said the party was failing to attract voters and was no longer viable.

Galway West TD Noel Grealish said that he hoped undecided delegates would be convinced after today's debate that the way forward is to fold the PD tent.

He said since the party was formed in 1985 the vote of the party has consistently gone down.

It is just over seven weeks since the leadership of the PDs came to the conclusion that the party is no longer politically viable.


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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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Not a massive surprise, what happens next?


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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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They have decided to begin winding up and will be finished in this process by next year. This allows for time for the party's assets to be dealt with, their outstanding obligations met and any other business to be finished with. It would appear that their representatives will probably go in the directions that were expected, Harney Ind, Greelish FF, Canon FG, O'Malley (who the F cares).

In all, from an objective point of view, and obviously from the point of view of a rival tent, I must say that the astonishing thing about the PDs is that they met a huge amount of their objectives. They managed to push Ireland into an economically liberal framework with their insistance on a low tax economy. Justice was something that they set their own stamp on, in trying to achieve so much in a short time. They worked extremely well in all the fields that they had a hand in guiding, from enterprise, to agriculture, to foreign affairs. Even Health under Harney has seen such improvement that when we look at her ministry in hindsight we will see that no minister ever set out to achieve such a grand scheme of ambitious objectives. The usual slanders can be thrown at her, for the inefficiencies in the HSE and the fact that it operates like a sive, but it has to be said absolutely, that no minister ever had the fore thought as she has had. The very act of imagining a Health Service which works, and trying to achieve this with a long term plan, despite the objections and trivial arguments that really aren't the responsibility of a Health Minister but of staff on the ground, is admirable.

If the PDs were to have an epitaph, it should read "we laid foundations in many ministries, for others to stand on". I think that looking at the general satisfaction with the Dept. of Justice, Enterprise and perhaps Health in a few years, we can see that a basis for good business was set out by their ministers, which was simply followed by others once the furore of objections and insult had died down.

I considered the Progressive Democrats as a party of choice a few years ago. I was won over by FG. But every day even up to the last election, I used look at the callibre of the PD front bench with envy, as we watched at what Garrett's fallen children were achieving with a tiny party across from us. There was much crying and knashing of teeth, but I believe that in the end every political party learned a huge amount about how to and how not to do their business from the very instantaneous experiences of the PDs, and their veritable microchosim of experience in such a short period of time. Ireland will not ever be the same, and they will be remembered in a very similar vein as Clann na Phoblachta, Noel Browne and even some members of the large parties who have stood out.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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Ding dong the witch is dead!

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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They really did make one hell of an impact...Mostly for the good of the nation!

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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an excellent piece harpey i couldn't agree more

a sad day for irish politics

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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They had their time in history. Time to turn the page on a new chapter.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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Well, frankly yes, it is a new chapter, one that will see a new clear change in Irish politics. Anybody read the Irish Times today. Things will probably be different, not in the back stalls of Dail Eireann, but in the opposing benches of the main opposition and government. Article said that with the PDs existing as they did, capturing the votes they had, that FG couldn't find it possible to reach original heights of 33-39% that they would have been acustomed to in the 60s-mid 80s.
The country will be a very different place in 3 years time.

The implication of the two pieces, essentially said that the main opposition has learned more about itself as a large party, from having to fend off the much more niche based Progressive Democrats and battle for the same voting population, as it could never do from bench marking itself against FF through the 90s, equipped as it is with many chameleon qualities. Perhaps now that the idea of a taboo about being PD-esque is gone, there is a possibility that FG will find it much easier to define itself, with some tendencies of their rival being adopted. Its speculation obviously, but from a party supporter, it does give me a sense of liberty to achieve a better sense of expression in my party.

I don't know, sure what do ye think? I think that loosing much of what the PDs achieved would be a huge mistake for the country. Better to subsume it than to forget about it!

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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fg to lurch to right. :shock:

I can hardly wait.

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Donnchadhol wrote:
fg to lurch to right. :shock:

I can hardly wait.

No such thing as the right. The centre, boy.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive Democrats
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fgs idea of centre is somewhat like father jacks idea of abstinence methinks.

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